Can Darwinism and Faith Coexist?

by thoughtfulconservative

Why comment on this article from Scientific American? Because I agree with the Darwinists quoted in the article.

A geneticist ordained as a Dominican priest, Francisco J. Ayala sees no conflict between Darwinism and faith.

His opinion,

Ayala thinks that scientists who attack religion and ridicule the faithful—most notably, Richard Dawkins of the University of Oxford—are making a mistake. It is destructive and gives fodder to the preachers who insist followers must choose either Darwin or God.

Because for a Christian who believes the Bible is God’s Word, there are only two choices, God created the earth exactly as it says, or they have to fit everything into that phrase in Genesis chapter one verse two,

And the earth <i>became without form</i> and void.

This brings it’s own problems such as, for one, that death and dying existed before it’s said to begin in chapter three.

Nevertheless, Ayala

refers to science-savvy Christian theologians who present a God that is continuously engaged in the creative process through undirected natural selection. [Emphasis mine]

He’s “engaged” but the process is “undirected.” What kind of gobbledygook is this? Some scientists disagree.

[S]ome philosophers of science, such as Philip Kitcher of Columbia University, have come to believe that evolution and belief in a providential creator cannot coincide. Kitcher admires Ayala but complains that “he has residual supernaturalist tendencies.”

And Ayala himself

is unwilling to affirm or deny a personal belief in God.

Which may say everything we need to know.

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6 Comments to “Can Darwinism and Faith Coexist?”

  1. When you throw a rock in a lake, little waves will travel all the way to the shore. Wave’s behavior is governed by physics laws only, you don’t control their speed or direction. Yet you are obviously involved. You are “engaged” even though the process is “undirected”.

  2. Thanks. That clears that up. I would still object to “engaged.” I initiated it, yes, but engaged? I’m sure this is just an example and it at least helps me understand what he’s talking about.

  3. “initiated” can the be replaced by “engaged” if you think this wave-forming process is repeated gazillions of times everywhere.

    I’m not Ayala nor ever played him on TV. But a common interpretation of evolution among theists is that a deity intervenes during the process wherever natural laws are in the dark. For example, in microscopic level there are minute random variations in DNA splitting and recombining that account for big consequences later; and in macroscopic level there are big events with even bigger consequences. It’s a concept that brings back the “Divine Providence” idea of the 19th century.

    I’m not saying this is foolproof, but I believe it was Ayala’s point.

  4. OK, I’ll grant that.

    I still don’t agree with Ayala, but I know that many thoughtful people do.

    Thanks again for explaining this part of the article that confused me.

  5. The aspect of Ayala’s undestanding of evolution most gripping to me is that through evolution God has given us participation in his creation. Just as the “natural selection” process in nature results in changes over time of everything including the cosmos and in particular every living thing on earth – every human decision leads to changes in the individual environment and collectively changes to our local and global environment. To me it seems easy to accept that God chose evolution, chaos, chance etc as his agents of change to His creation in our dimension. It does make me wonder though what change agents He selected for other dimensions if in fact some of our physicists and methematicians are right about their existance.

  6. Creationist and Darwinists

    Can any body tell me? Who has made the perfect, mathematical and complex laws of Physics, laws of Chemistry and laws of biology , complex reproductive system in human and animal and plants ?. Scientists are only discovering these laws and in through obeying these law making some imperfect or semi perfect things. Yet the scientists have discovered a tiny part of the Creator’s innovative world. 99% yet to be explored. Keeping in view only a stupid or illogical persons can deny the perfect, and the wise Creator.

    The Darwin has proposed a theory not fact . His tautology could not be proved by any undoubtedly/real true scientific evidence/fact. After studying 10,000 fossils, Harun Yahya (click here to explore) a Turkish biologist has challenged all Darwinists of the world to produce a single intermediate fossil, he will pay US$100 billion . He has proved that every species appeared in perfect shape and disappeared and new specie appeared in perfect shape. No incomplete bird can survive and incomplete eye can see. A half build eye and half build wing cannot see and cannot fly.

    Survival of the fittest? Why love existence? Why a mother dies for her child?, Why A perfect family system of Honey bee functions?. Why Peacock beautiful colors appeared?. Darwinists have failed miserably to explain the facts of creation. So fact of existence of creator of a perfect, very beautiful and complex creation is just like Sun on the sky but blind cannot see.

    Click to watch video : Death of Darwinism and Win of Creationists

    Click to watch video : Fossil Record Prove Creationism

    Click to watch Video : Collapse to Ethism

    Click to Watch video : Disasters Darwinism Brought to Humanity

    Indeed Creation and ordering of the universe is seen as an act of prime mercy for which all creatures sing God’s glories and bear witness to God’s unity and lordship. According to the Islamic teachings, God exists without a place. According to the Qur’an, “No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. God is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things” (Qur’an 6:103)

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