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December 6, 2008 • 2:36 pm

Obama’s birth certificate

Update: Well, this generated more interest than my usual posts. Unfortunately I’ve been busy since I posted it and several comments were placed in moderation. My apologies for the delay in posting your comments. And it’s been made largely irrelevant anyway by the courts refusal to hear the case. Thanks to illusory tenant and folkbum for corrections in the comments.

UPDATE 2: Here’s an article from the Honolulu Advertiser (via Ed Morrissey) that should put the issue to rest. Unfortunately like Bush stealing the 2000 election, it will never rest.

From the  “Give it up already” files

The quadrennial early-winter attempt to overturn presidential results by any means necessary.

The Supreme Court is going to [Update: consider whether it will] hear the case of whether Barack Obama can be president of the US.

And you know if the court decides he can, some people still will not be convinced.

If Hawaii mailed the original to every one of the unbelievers, they wouldn’t believe it.

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7 Responses

  1. Gail says:
    December 6, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Most people don’t know the difference between the “Certification of Live Birth” that Obama posted on his website and the “Certificate of Live Birth” that is presumably being held under seal in Hawaii. I found this website of FAQ about Obama’s birth certificate to be helpful:

    http://sites.google.com/site/obamabirth/

  2. Nick says:
    December 6, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    There are two ironies here. The first is that the majority (if not all) of the lawsuits have actually been filed by Democrats (mostly Hillary supporters). Secondly, of the Republicans who buy into this crap, they are usually the first ones who call Ron Paul supporters loony. Go figure.

  3. Zach says:
    December 6, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Excellent point, Nick.

    I think this is much ado about nothing.

  4. illusory tenant says:
    December 6, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    The Supreme Court is going to hear the case of whether Barack Obama can be president of the US.

    Nah. The Court held a conference yesterday, at which it considered a bunch of cases, and this one was among them.

    The Court granted hearings in two cases, but that one (pun intended) wasn’t among them.

    But it will appear on a much longer list of rejected cases, likely Monday.

  5. folkbum says:
    December 6, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    The Supreme Court is not going to “hear” any case. The case was dismissed at two lower levels and the plaintiff asked for a review and stay at the SCOTUS level. It, like literally thousands of other such requests, will likely be ignored.

  6. The Intellectual Redneck says:
    December 7, 2008 at 11:06 am

    This is the most thoughtful and coherent comment I have read on this issue. I wish I had written this comment. This writer goes to he heart of the issue and does it in a very unbiased way.

    Really? (#129849)
    by Hank Rand on December 6, 2008 at 9:44 PM
    “What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?”

    A proponent of the reality that there is an outstanding question that exists relating to Barack Obama’s natural born citizenship (not that I have an answer, but rather simply that no answer has been given), my personal opinion is that this has less to do with the merit of this particular Constitutional law…and more to do with the character and integrity of a man who may have gone to such great lengths to, knowingly, break it. And in that course of action, our entire country (not just those who didn’t vote for him) and our most coveted process of Democracy (our vote), were defrauded.

    If he’s found to be ineligible per the Constitution, proving he knowingly and willfully defrauded our people and process, it won’t be the Justices who will have disenfranchised 64 million voters. It’s Barack Obama. How many times are you prepared to claim “you fell down the stairs” for this man? I was an initial supporter. I started seeing very real and very questionable issues raised about the nature of his past associations, and the laughable explanations he would give…and I was sure it would hurt him in the press and among supporters. But what did I see? The press and most supporters to engrossed in their partisanship to care. In fact, the more reasonable questions came up about him…the harder the press and the 64 million that same press brainwashed, drove to the hoop for him. As I stood back watching this, again, as an initial supporter of his, even making phone calls on his behalf…I realized what I was seeing, was nothing short of WEIRD. Just, plain, weird.

    And I thought this birth certificate issue (check that, “Certificate of Live Birth” issue…as opposed to “Certification of Live Birth”) was cleared up a long time ago. I thought there was no way the DNC would have been capable of such a gross oversight. Then the court cases came up, and nothing was done to quell the question. What finally landed me understanding that something is not right, is when Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health for Hawaii, released the statement about his birth. That statement actually did more harm than good, and it only demonstrated further how moronic far too many public officials and people in the media and governing bodies, think Americans are.

    Sure, America has it’s slew of idiots. And sure, the aisle that questions Barack Obama’s natural born and/or properly maintained citizenship statuses has it’s smattering of fringe wingnuts. But just because one contingent of people happen to be on board, doesn’t nullify the fact that the question is still outstanding. I hear the same 5 refutations over, and over, and over. “He posted his birth certificate on his website”, “Factcheck proved it”, “The state of Hawaii released a statement saying he was born there”, “There was a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper”, “Judges meritoriously threw it out as ‘frivolous’”; and while each of those statements hold an element of truth, they’re also easily debunked. And “truth” is objective. There is no debunking it. We should be able to move past this on to more subjective and productive lines of communication…with all the dissent we’re accustomed to…forging, like competition, improvement. But here we are. And one man can answer this objective question. And sure, not everyone will get on board if he were to release his college records and actual Certificate of Live Birth (as opposed to the factually less credible, more easily attained and more easily forged “Certification” – which bears no corroborating evidence like the hospital or doctor’s name)…but many would get on board. Coming off a platform of transparency, directly in to a promised pursuit for unity…why leave so many of us divided on what is a simple and objectively debunked question? If the Certification is authentic, the it’s more credible parent – the Certificate, exists. But rather than produce it, he has fought those requests so fiercely that he’s allowed the same requests to land in court rooms…where he continues to fight them. Why? So rather than quell the reasonable, objective and easily answered outstanding question…he opts non disclosure. I wrote somewhere else that the production of Certificate of Live Birth is a very small price t pay for unity. And yet, here we are. And Barack Obama, and Barack Obama only, is responsible for that. I am certain of that beyond any reasonable doubt, because Barack Obama, and Barack Obama only, can quell it…with an actual Certificate of Live Birth, and he has watched requests transition to court cases, and still refuses. So as a first order of business, in a promised pursuit for unity, he leaves us divided, on what should be a very simple, very objective, very basic matter. Who among us can applaud that? “I do, Hank. Because you’re all just whackjobs.” That’s all well and good if that’s your opinion. My brother said to me, “Yeah but if we pull him out, we’re going to look corrupt to the rest of the world.” I replied, “I’d rather look corrupt and not be it, than be corrupt and not look it.” So goes my position on being called a whackjob, for maintaining through nothing more than logic and fact, that there is a still outstanding question regarding Barack Obama’s natural born and properly maintained citizenship statuses. I’d rather be called a whackjob and stand by truth, than submit to mistruths and be called sound.

    I didn’t hear any of the 5 standard press talking points in your piece, which leads me to believe the transition I anticipated is occurring. That is, virtually all of supporters (and I don’t know if you were one prior to November 4th or not), will go from, “He didn’t commit fraud. He is a natural born citizen”, to “So what if he committed fraud. So what if he isn’t a natural born citizen.” I’ve challenged others, staunch supporters in fact, as to whether or not they’d concede a gross misstep in character and judgement, and support his being held accountable for that, if he did commit this fraud. They’ve uniformly claimed they would. This article, blog, whatever it is…demonstrates the first piece I’ve actually seen that goes out of it’s way to say, “No. I wouldn’t. Barack Obama can lie, cheat and steal all he wants. And if he gets held accountable for it, it’s the fault of the Justices…because Barack Obama himself, is simply incapable of wrongdoing.”

    Running that red light you sit at, day after day, when no one is looking, is pretty harmless too. But you know it’s wrong. This man, if not a natural born and properly maintained citizen of the United States, will have knowingly and willfully cheated our entire country, and more critical than that – our absolutely, inherently, unquestionably most coveted process of democracy – in what can only be articulated as a relentless pursuit for unapologetic, integrity-free, and division-inducing pursuit for power.Link.

    The Intellectual Redneck

  7. scott says:
    December 9, 2008 at 8:46 am

    I confess that I only read about 2/3 of it (the guy does go on, doesn’t he!), but that comment is simply first-class wingnuttery dressed up in rational-sounding words.

    And you know what I want to know? Even if Barack was born in a foreign country (which only a wingnut could believe at this point), what difference would it make?? His mother was a United States citizen. Even if he’d been born in Timbuktu or Leningrad, he’d still be a natural born US citizen with every right to occupy the office of president. It’s only if you further postulate some additional conspiracy that he becomes ineligible. But I don’t even know why I should bother making this kind of point as the whole thing is so nonsensical as to not merit any response but “get professional help.”

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